If you have received a ticket for the violation of CVC 21710, we can give you options and advocate for the dismissal of the citation. As you would expect, DSG Eco mode causes upshifts to be as soon as they possibly can, along with providing the coasting feature.
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Do you consider all of the Highway Code to be 'a stream of pompous holier-than-thou gratuitous advice', or just the bit on coasting? if at speed that's plain stupid. Like x 1; ckoval7 Mild One. Some drivers I know coast along the road in neutral whenever they’re slowing down, or when going downhill. Tesla Motors Club LLC (TMC) is an independent enthusiast organization and is not affiliated with Tesla Motors, Inc. or its subsidiaries. Coasting in Neutral on Downgrade Prohibited California Vehicle Code (CVC) § 21710. I'd be very surprised if the car went into the P mode automatically while in motion. Coasting in Neutral on Downgrade Prohibited, Copyright © 2008-2020 Ticket Snipers. I do remember one time driving a Saab 96 V4 which had it's 'freewheel' system engaged.
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ScoobyChris. To maximize mileage, I put my Bolt in neutral while coasting down a hill. So by staying in gear you will use slightly less fuel, but probably negligible in the grand scheme. However, I did not like the feel of it. Its surprising how far you can go on a long gentle descent with the engine at idle though. Our traffic ticket experts are certified by the Better Business Bureau and they are licensed, bonded, and accredited by the State of California. If you're approaching a red light (or any other reason to stop) engine braking in order to induce fuel cut off will be the most fuel efficient way. Joined: Sep 19, 2018 Messages: 630 Location: Maryland #9 ckoval7, Aug 2, 2019. In the real world my hills have junctions at the bottom, and villages with schools and houses. All depends, if the weight and incline is enough then i would imagine the further distance travelled by coasting would more than make up the fuel saved over the shorter distance travelled on overrun due to engine braking effects. i don't think there's any reason to put it into neutral. Is this your opinion or do you have evidence to back it up? Coasting. All rights reserved. Discussion in 'Model 3: Driving Dynamics' started by Roy Wasson, Aug 1, 2019. Being in neutral reduces the control you have over the vehicle, especially on wet pavement. What about saving gas? if you drive so that the energy used/regenerated is close to 0 (say between -2 and 2 kwH) that is exactly like driving in N. I have confirmed this by simply driving at 0 or 1 or -1 kWh and shifting to N: there is no change. There's no reduction in actual engine power output.
it may be more difficult to select the appropriate gear when needed. Drivers occasionally coast along the road in when they are not in gear, so in neutral, when they are decelerating, or when going downhill. You plug an oscilloscope into the injector leads, give the car a good rev, and check to see that the injection pulse disappears until the engine slows down again. Sunday 1st December 2019. All rights reserved. I guess the brake servos electric at least?
Do you think electric cars are putting buyers off internal combustion engine cars? Fighting a traffic ticket has never been easier. Does coasting in neutral save fuel?, or , with today’s modern computer controlled systems is leaving the car in gear and lifting off the accelerator more economical as the fuel is shut off ( possibly), until you accelerate again, just asking to settle an argument.. vehicle speed downhill will increase quickly, increased use of the footbrake can reduce its effectiveness, steering response will be affected, particularly on bends and corners. For the fractions aof a penny one may potentially save I would rather drive the vehicle as the manufacturer intended. The answer is, "yes, in some circumstances.". Please be patient while we process this citation.
What type of traffic ticket did you receive? So I often resort to N. but the problem is that if you're in "n" you don't get any regen, do you? So when you have to slow for curves, etc. With petrol engines and coasting, I know most say you should coast in gear with your foot off the throttle so no fuel is used at all, but I'm not sure if there is a point when coasting in neutral is more advantageous? An operator, when traveling on a downgrade, may not coast with the gears of the vehicle in neutral. Anyway I dont use it.
If you have to change lanes to avoid an obstacle on the roadway if your vehicle is in neutral, you have to put it in gear in order to respond quickly to the road conditions. ). This term describes a vehicle travelling in neutral or with the clutch pressed down. The answer is 'yes'.
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Indeed. Coasting in neutral to the bottom and using the brakes WOULD waste energy, but if the brakes do some regeneration (which we know they do), then some energy is regained. © 2020 Pistonheads Holdco Limited, All Rights Reserved.
It would be unnecessarily regeneration that wastes energy. It's how 'jake brakes' work.
Thanks for A2A. You learn when to use the coast feature to full advantage. Hi all, I have asked Tesla this with no reply as yet. If going downhill then keeping it in gear will use less fuel and stop you increasing speed.
Arguing about deceleration fuel cut-offs and the resumption revs has no bearing on the matter. "Coasting in neutral is just the same as sitting parked with the engine running.
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Title 29-A, §2064: No coasting on grade in neutral, https://uk.support.telematics.tomtom.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4289/~/coasting-advice, https://us.support.telematics.tomtom.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4289/~/coasting-advice, https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/17334, (You must log in or sign up to post here. Being in neutral reduces the control you have over the vehicle, especially on wet pavement. What if it can't be fixed? Why does coasting damage the crankshaft? Your guide to the best 2020 UK scrappage schemes, Peugeot confirms prices for updated 3008 and 5008 SUVs. I'd rigged an ignition cut-off switch so I could coast in neutral without engaging the steering lock.
TESLA, TESLA MOTORS, TESLA ROADSTER, MODEL S, MODEL X, and the “TESLA,” “T” and “TESLA and T in Crest” designs are trademarks or registered trademarks of Tesla Motors, Inc. in the United States and other countries. A Legal Document Assistant cannot provide legal advice and can only provide self-help services like preparing, completing, or filing legal documents or forms at your specific direction and supplying you with attorney-approved written material for your self-help needs. I can't think of any situation where coasting the car in neutral would be better than leaving it in.
As do ICE cars, EVs in neutral coast farther than they do in drive with the accelerator not depressed, and coast much farther in N than under regen. Through the years, we have developed a unique process for fighting traffic tickets which no one else knows or uses, not even expensive lawyers. The ECU will also cut the engine, depending on the speed. I don't actually coast as such, though my lorry does this automatically going into N and coasting for considerable distances using pre mapped road topography, on some lorries its called eco-roll or similar, and i'm still not sure of its legality, on my particular vehicle this system cannot be shut down by the driver so long as the vehicle can 'see' the GPS satellites. It removed engine braking when I needed it, and I did not feel any other benefit from the coasting on the rare occasions that I used ECO-PRO, so I have turned it off on my 335d (via iDrive selection). Yes.
Like x 1; ckoval7 Mild One. Thanks. coasting in neutral - Number_Cruncher : Testing for the presence or absence of overrun fuel cut-off is a quick test which allows you to see if the throttle plate / switch / potentiometer / base idle is set up right. On long downhill mountain passes a “sweet spot” might be encountered where the force of gravity offsets opposing forces of: ( tire to road friction + motor/axle drag in neutral + aerodynamic drag).
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A word of warning: In some States in the US there are laws against coasting down hills in neutral. If you choose to use this site or services provided by Ticket Snipers you agree that the information provided on this website and information given by Ticket Snipers representatives, employees or agents is not legal advice and no Attorney-Client relationship is created. Of course if N yields a speed too fast for a curve or traffic or anything else, I don't brake, but put it in D or L. Does anybody even know what actually happens in 'N'? Left me stranded in the middle of nowhere. We had to average over 30MPH on a fifty mile course, mainly out of town. Coasting is the process of driving a car downhill with either the clutch depressed or the gear stick in neutral - or both at the same time.
And the idea that N "wastes energy" is incorrect if the mechanical brakes are not used. Coast works in eco pro and normal(and maybe sport) on my 7speed DCT Cooper S.
My car has a dual clutch box but it's a Getrag. As a thank you for your contribution, you'll get nearly no ads in the Community and Groups sections. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker and becoming a Supporting Member. Please visit the Account Upgrades page for more details. After the initial scare i got approaching a give way expecting some engine braking(!)
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Ha, yes, that freewheel feature was a hangover from the car's original 2-stroke engine which ran on premixed petroil. The biggest schemes are Toyota, Hyundai, Kia and Renault, with savings on most models in their respective ranges.
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