Nathan Builder (@nathanbuilder) 2nd June 2018, 16:18. I’d love to see 18 in. The introductions will swell the number of compounds available to the teams to nine. They restricted tyres, fuel, aerodynamics, I fear the next thing we’ll see on a race weekend F1 cars struggling to follow safety car because all the tech from road cars like drum brakes and mandatory spare wheel migrated to the pinnacle of autosport. I don’t hear anyone complaining about Michelin. shows how aesthetics can be subjective, to me, open wheelers look like horse drawn wagons with those massive rims. @johnmilk – yeah, it’s exactly that lack of awareness of the exact density of the alloy and compound used that makes me wonder. Rear discs have already shrunk with the arrival of MGU-k, and the brakes are already powerful enough to lock the wheels, so what would be the gain?
Australian Grand Prix Marcch's season curtain-raiser in Melbourne will see Pirelli's soft, supersofts and ultrasofts being used. The new-for-2018 hypersoft compound won't be used in the opening three rounds and its debut may be delayed until May's Monaco GP. I would assume up, most of it on the 13” is air and while the magnesium alloy forged for the wheels is very lightweight (I don’t know the density of the Pirelli rubbers, I do know however that tyres aren’t only made with it, so if I were to guess I would say that for the same volume of tyre and rim material, the rimwould be lighter, because the density of the magnesium is very low, and the manufacturing process (modern forging) makes it even lighter) it would still increase the overall weight of the assembly. Do the larger rims require a very different suspension solution to F1 pull/push rods? “We will find a way to have proper branding and shoulders that can be combining technology and marketing. A little thought experiment: If the brakes were ten times as powerful, how hard could they be applied? The possibility of increasing F1 wheel sizes has been considered before. F1 should use 18 atleast considering those tires are super fat and already look like baloons.
So, what can we expect that’s new from the latest range of tyres – which make their debut on the 2019 cars in Barcelona this week? Sounds like a by-gone era. Enough of these guys running at 75% of what the car is capable of. The proposal is for the active element of the suspension to be off-the-shelf, not the whole system.
The sport’s commercial rights holder Liberty Media intends to overhaul the regulations in subsequent seasons, which could lead to a change in tyre specifications.
So you want road relevant tires but road relevant is not good reason to change things because tires are already road relevant (which they are not)? the 18” is better for performance, but it wouldn’t be as easy as my answer here, A lot of things should be taken into consideration to reach that performance, NS Biker (@rekibsn) 1st June 2018, 20:28. Pirelli CEO Marco Tronchetti Provera said the company would welcome new technological challenges which come as part of that. This is really a personal preference thing, but like Nathen said it would really screw up handling, especially center of gravity. A change in wheel size would have implications for F1 suspension design. Smart tyres, which feature sensors built into the surface rubber to give instant data on tyre performance, is another technology Pirelli could bring to F1. What is the optimum size for performance? F1 drivers react fast though. @johnmilk, @phylyp I’m not so sure that bigger rims would lead to bigger discs. This proposal sounds like a return to the formulas of the past, that allowed things like ABS, turbochargers and traction control to come about and change our lives for the better.
“We already mentioned that we are ready to start testing. Pirelli will introduce two new tyres for F1 2018, the ‘hypersoft’ and the ‘superhard’.
1st June 2018, 8:312nd June 2018, 16:48 | Written by Dieter Rencken and Keith Collantine. And it’s gonna be either the suspension or the chassis. That doesn’t mean I want that kind of rim+tyre in F1 too, they look bad on this kind of car in my opinion, then it’s not like every time I get in my car I try to find similarities with F1… cause ain’t any. I have 17” Pirellis on my Corrado – small tyre wall etc, not performance tyres tho. In my opinion, that would be a backwards step. NewVerstappenFan (@jureo) 3rd June 2018, 10:33. Only enough to lock the wheels. Tristan (@skipgamer) 1st June 2018, 16:17. When the idea was suggested a few years ago, Pirelli suggested that the unsprung weight would increase by about 4.5kg per wheel, and most of that would come from the increase in mass of the rim (the carcass itself would remain similar in mass due to the way that the tyre sidewalls would be redesigned). It’s like to oblige track and field athletes to wear boots, jeans, hoodies and cowboy hats because unitards, tights, spiked shoes etc. Patrickl (@patrickl) 2nd June 2018, 8:09. Oh, NO, please go away with your junk as far as possible! See the Comment Policy and FAQ for more.If the person you're replying to is a registered user you can notify them of your reply using '@username'. and Pirellis, does anyone here have pirellis fitted in their cars?
That is the size I want. Pirelli says it is ready to supply new technologies to F1 if the sport decides it wants them. Pirelli tested an example of the larger rims and lower-profile rubber in 2015. However, if there were compelling technical reasons behind the switch, I would accept the new size. The geometry would stay the same. Which would mean more body roll, higher ride heights, slower cornering speeds. What rim size does IndyCar use – and why? ColinChapman (@colinchapman) 1st June 2018, 12:27. This actually makes a lot of sense when combined with the new suspension. Find out more about RaceFans and contact us here. As I understand it, some of the current passive systems are extremely complex and are right on the limit of what the rules regarding passive suspension systems allows. Ooh, big rims with low profile tires. @phylyp, the expectation is that increasing the wheel rim diameter from 13 inches to 18 inches would increase the unsprung weight by quite a sizeable amount. It’s returning power to the engineers. Liverpool, Man Utd propose major shake-up to English football, Hamilton equals Schumacher wins record at Eifel GP, African prince plots 'best friend' AJ's demise, 'I'm one of the lads - it shocked people when I came out as gay', Messi to City? The other new entry is the hypersoft, which will be pink and the softest of the range, with the name chosen via a fan poll on social media. Even the Tesla nerds from San Francisco are demanding bigger rims and red calipers for the Model 3.
TribalTalker (@tribaltalker) 1st June 2018, 9:59. Matteo (@m-bagattini) 1st June 2018, 8:42. I, for one, find this proposal exciting and refreshing.
I don’t understand why Pirrelli would make such a idiotic suggestion in the first place. The first new tyre will be the orange superhard, slotting in as the hardest of the range. @johnmilk – 18″ Pirellis – probably for the kind of audience that Mercedes AMG and Ferrari target, not for plebs like me (and possibly you). If the outside diameter of the tire is the same for 18″ wheels as for 13″ wheels nothing changes. Need spinners for the full bling.
haven’t you heard? As for Formula E, again Michelin have stated that they wanted to create a visual link between Formula E cars and mass market cars as part of the wider narrative within Formula E of the transfer of technology from the race track to the road car, which was why they went down that route. I’ve always hated tall rims. "We decided not only to move all the range one step softer, but to introduce one more level of softer compound, that is the pink hypersoft. I dont understand why they would even consider changing rim size. Oohh the pinnacle of motorsport, gardenfella (@gardenfella72) 1st June 2018, 12:36. What are you guys talking about? Given the amount of trackside advertising, I’d say no one’s at risk of going away after seeing an F1 race and wondering “Oh, gee, I wonder who makes the tyres for F1. Thank you for your valuable reply. Phylyp wanted to know whether changing to an 18 inch tyre would result in an increase in unsprung weight, and the point was that the tyre manufacturers who have offered to supply 18 inch wheels have all said that it would, and probably by several kilos. I’d be fine with 18” rims, and I’m assuming they could be introduced hand in hand with active suspension so that both changes can take place at the same time and the active suspension can be designed to make up for less flexy sidewalls. The suspension will be off-the-shelf.
Only reason we have 13″ wheels in F1 today is because they wanted to limit the brake caliper size and since then it became “tradition”. Michelin have also indicated in the past that increasing the wheel rim size would come with a weight penalty as well, which is part of the reason why the teams talked about needing to redesign the chassis if the proposal for 18 inch rims was adopted. V12Beard (@v12beard) 2nd June 2018, 1:09.
@todfod – Given how many teams find managing the tyres so difficult, I imagine that separating the grip aspect away from the suspension (tyre pressure) aspect could be welcomed with open arms, particularly from teams that think they can do a better job of building a suspension system. De Bruyne: 'I don't really care', Southgate's selection dilemmas vs Belgium, Five ROI players out of Wales match after positive test, Bournemouth reject West Ham's £13m King offer.
They look hideous even on street cars imo.
WEC cars and Formula E seem to be dong fine with 18″ tyres.
“We are happy with 13, we are happy with 18,” he said.
Nick Wyatt (@nickwyatt) 2nd June 2018, 8:13. “We obviously need testing cars. It comes up even though you have the president of the only company it effects saying it doesn’t matter. Patrickl (@patrickl) 2nd June 2018, 8:04. Or maybe I’m way off.
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